Hmm curious. That URL redirects to www for me. I'm guessing you have something stopping it doing that for you? Or perhaps you use a different port. I wonder if there's something at play there.
Interesting! Standard port? Does it do a redirect to something else or is that actually a URL that responds with something?
I wonder - could you have accessed it where it does a redirect, and Firefox has some bug that means its stored that fact mistakingly? (Firefox doesn't seem to suggest URLs that are just redirects).
I wonder what would happen if you cleared your autocomplete and started again. Though that would make this issue harder to test!
So I have a split horizon DNS, so mail.obscuritus.ca goes to an RFC1918 address inside my network, which is my mail server (externally, it hits my public IP, where my firewall sends HTTP ports to the web server, and mail ports to the mail server).
So I wonder if firefox is downplaying URLs that resolve to RFC1918s thinking about that...
Gmail is in my Most Visited bookmarks but mail.obscuritus.ca is not. But convenient.email is. So it's not just "ony stuff from a major provider" or something.
What are you even talking about? How do you think this is a useful part of the conversation?
Do you respect me as a capable member of the tech community? Or do you just think I say things are annoying because I don't know what I'm doing? Or do you just not know who I am and am saying whatever thing pops into your head? (not that I am anyone important)
The problem is that your help wasn't even interesting. It was literally saying less than nothing.
You showed up in the conversation (fine), to tell me I might have had search suggestions on (an incorrect assumption, since I am talking about autocomplete not suggestions, but you can misread and that's fine), and then condescendingly tried to explain how web browsers have worked for the last 15 years (why? It's just annoying and seems calculated to disrespect).
It's just annoying and seems calculated to disrespect
Right, 'cause I have nothing better to do.
If you must know, I actually had search suggestions on my mind because of seeing a post these past days about a new feature "Firefox Suggest" in Firefox 93 (which made me go back to my settings to mkake sure it was all disabled).
Cool. That makes sense. The last clause was where you went from being helpful, to be disrespectful (in perception). It's not that I don't want to engage new people, it's more that I am exhausted and don't have time.
I am a little surprised you're being as combative about this because you seem very put out by a response with a tone you didn't like, despite the fact that it was responding to a tone problem. My goal with my initial response to you was to get you to step back and think about the wording of your response. Obviously it was combative, and probably too much so.
Search Suggestions is the kind of thing that would cause similar problems, though not this one, and is definitely something worth bringing into the conversation if you missed that nuance.
Gmail is in my Most Visited bookmarks but mail.obscuritus.ca is not. But convenient.email is. So it's not just "ony stuff from a major provider" or something.
This is the kind of stuff I was referring to. If you go to check the settings, the Firefox address bar can autocomplete from any of: History, Bookmarks, Open tabs, Shortcuts (the New tab tiles), and search suggestions from your default Search engine - and now from Firefox 93 onwards, the new "Firefox Suggest" thing which is similar to Search engine suggestions, but from Mozilla. You also have "Most visited sites" (which I guess comes from applying some algorithm to History, which is probably totally overengineered and "intelligent"), "Firefox Snippets", and "Sponsored shortcuts" (I think that last one is new too? I just saw it).
To sum up, I don't think there's any meaningful difference between any of those as far as the address bar is concerned, and how all of those get sorted and presented is anyone's guess. There is however a "Show search suggestions ahead of browsing history" toggle.
I don't know what settings you have set and everything keeps changing between releases, so it could be that something got introduced that wasn't there before. I know I try go to settings from time to time to check, and there's always new stuff - and it gets enabled by default, btw.
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•silverwizard
•Hypolite Petovan
•Jalada
•Jalada
•silverwizard
•I go to mail.obscuritus.ca *a lot*. Probably every time I open firefox.
But if I type "mail." it autocompletes "mail.google.com" for me, which is dumb
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•Jalada
•I wonder - could you have accessed it where it does a redirect, and Firefox has some bug that means its stored that fact mistakingly? (Firefox doesn't seem to suggest URLs that are just redirects).
I wonder what would happen if you cleared your autocomplete and started again. Though that would make this issue harder to test!
silverwizard
•So I wonder if firefox is downplaying URLs that resolve to RFC1918s thinking about that...
Jalada
•Jalada
•silverwizard
•silverwizard
•Gmail is in my Most Visited bookmarks but mail.obscuritus.ca is not. But convenient.email is. So it's not just "ony stuff from a major provider" or something.
Removing it from bookmarks didn't help.
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•Do you respect me as a capable member of the tech community? Or do you just think I say things are annoying because I don't know what I'm doing? Or do you just not know who I am and am saying whatever thing pops into your head? (not that I am anyone important)
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silverwizard
•You showed up in the conversation (fine), to tell me I might have had search suggestions on (an incorrect assumption, since I am talking about autocomplete not suggestions, but you can misread and that's fine), and then condescendingly tried to explain how web browsers have worked for the last 15 years (why? It's just annoying and seems calculated to disrespect).
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Maybe it's simply alphabetical order. mail.g vs mail.o
Anyway, later
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If you must know, I actually had search suggestions on my mind because of seeing a post these past days about a new feature "Firefox Suggest" in Firefox 93 (which made me go back to my settings to mkake sure it was all disabled).
silverwizard
•I am a little surprised you're being as combative about this because you seem very put out by a response with a tone you didn't like, despite the fact that it was responding to a tone problem. My goal with my initial response to you was to get you to step back and think about the wording of your response. Obviously it was combative, and probably too much so.
Search Suggestions is the kind of thing that would cause similar problems, though not this one, and is definitely something worth bringing into the conversation if you missed that nuance.
jec&
To sum up, I don't think there's any meaningful difference between any of those as far as the address bar is concerned, and how all of those get sorted and presented is anyone's guess. There is however a "Show search suggestions ahead of browsing history" toggle.
I don't know what settings you have set and everything keeps changing between releases, so it could be that something got introduced that wasn't there before. I know I try go to settings from time to time to check, and there's always new stuff - and it gets enabled by default, btw.
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From what I just checked, its desktop share is below Edge. Now that is bleak